Thx for my Win-hate-feature on Linux!

Post by Daniel Pfeiffer
To me the worst thing about Win is how it bosses me around with regards to how
I shall arrange my windows. Namely whenever I click, it comes to the foreground.
Now on various occasions I need only a certain area of a window, and will
occlude the rest with some other window, which I need to read or copy/paste
with. So the option present in about all X11 window managers, to not raise on
click is bliss to me.
I have not needed this much with Opera, however just now I did. But when I
clicked on a tab, the darn thing overruled my window manager, and bullied
itself to the foreground. There doesn't even seem to be an option to respect
my settings.

Confirmed. Workaround: use the keyboard to navigate through tabs
(Ctrl-F6 etc).

Post by Daniel Pfeiffer
Please, give me a wonderful browser, but keep out of X11 window managing!!!

I'm sure there is some painful reason why they do it :-/ This
particular misfeature isn't too bad since it's limited to
left-clicking tabs -- I could find no other action which caused
to-front.

But there are other windowing bugs ... DSK-328985 "Loss of focus after
using dialogues" irritates me daily. And before that there was the
annoying "Opera steals focus when started" feature ...

/Jorgen

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Eirik Byrkjeflot Anonsen

2011-04-11 05:51:48 UTC

Post by Jorgen Grahn

I guess none of us runs with no-raise-on-click. Make a bug report.

Post by Jorgen Grahn
Confirmed. Workaround: use the keyboard to navigate through tabs
(Ctrl-F6 etc).

Post by Daniel Pfeiffer
Please, give me a wonderful browser, but keep out of X11 window managing!!!

I'm sure there is some painful reason why they do it :-/

Could be. Though I can't immediately see any reason why we should ever
explicitly raise the opera window.

Post by Jorgen Grahn
This
particular misfeature isn't too bad since it's limited to
left-clicking tabs -- I could find no other action which caused
to-front.
But there are other windowing bugs ... DSK-328985 "Loss of focus after
using dialogues" irritates me daily.

Sounds bad, though I haven't noticed it myself. And a quick test just
now with my current working tree does not do that for me. Maybe it
depends on exactly which window manager is in use (I use e16, with
sloppy focus-follows-mouse).

Post by Jorgen Grahn
And before that there was the
annoying "Opera steals focus when started" feature ...

Ouch! That sounds really bad. (I probably haven't noticed because I
very seldom actually start opera.)

eirik

Jorgen Grahn

2011-04-11 12:38:49 UTC

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Post by Jorgen Grahn
But there are other windowing bugs ... DSK-328985 "Loss of focus after
using dialogues" irritates me daily.

It almost certainly is window manager-specific. I use ctwm, another
focus-follows-mouse manager. Perhaps I should try plain twm and
report my results.

Post by Jorgen Grahn
And before that there was the
annoying "Opera steals focus when started" feature ...

Ouch! That sounds really bad. (I probably haven't noticed because I
very seldom actually start opera.)

That one went away with Opera 11 -- a big relief.

(And it could be much worse. A certain big PC vendor has a Windows
application which with no warning pops up a focus-stealing "reboot?
ok/cancel" dialogue. If you're lucky you're not typing anything at the
time ...)

/Jorgen

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jpkotta

2011-04-11 17:24:26 UTC

Post by Jorgen Grahn

I guess none of us runs with no-raise-on-click. Make a bug report.

Post by Jorgen Grahn
Confirmed. Workaround: use the keyboard to navigate through tabs
(Ctrl-F6 etc).

This is not a problem for me. I'm running fvwm 2.5.30 and opera 11.01
Build 1190. I can click all over opera, including tabs, and it
doesn't raise. I have fvwm configured to focus-on-click but not to
raise-on-click. I remember in the past (several years ago) that opera
would raise when clicking on a tab, and unfortunately I have no idea
when this stopped happening for me.

jpkotta

2011-04-12 16:34:37 UTC

Post by Jorgen Grahn

I guess none of us runs with no-raise-on-click. Make a bug report.

Post by Jorgen Grahn
Confirmed. Workaround: use the keyboard to navigate through tabs
(Ctrl-F6 etc).

I just noticed in my fvwm configuration that I have the IgnoreRestack
option active for Opera. Without this, Opera does raise when clicking
on tabs.

From the fvwm man page:

"IgnoreRestack makes fvwm ignore attempts of clients to raise or lower
their own windows. By default, the opposite style, AllowRestack is
active."

GP lisper

2011-05-08 17:57:42 UTC

Post by Daniel Pfeiffer
To me the worst thing about Win is how it bosses me around with regards to how
I shall arrange my windows. ?Namely whenever I click, it comes to the foreground.
Now on various occasions I need only a certain area of a window, and will
occlude the rest with some other window, which I need to read or copy/paste
with. ?So the option present in about all X11 window managers, to not raise on
click is bliss to me.
I have not needed this much with Opera, however just now I did. ?But when I
clicked on a tab, the darn thing overruled my window manager, and bullied
itself to the foreground. ?There doesn't even seem to be an option to respect
my settings.

I guess none of us runs with no-raise-on-click.

so you miss out on a few things....

This is not a problem for me. ?I'm running fvwm 2.5.30 and opera 11.01
Build 1190. ?I can click all over opera, including tabs, and it
doesn't raise. ?I have fvwm configured to focus-on-click but not to
raise-on-click. ?I remember in the past (several years ago) that opera
would raise when clicking on a tab, and unfortunately I have no idea
when this stopped happening for me.

I just noticed in my fvwm configuration that I have the IgnoreRestack
option active for Opera. Without this, Opera does raise when clicking
on tabs.

Thank You! solved here now

Post by jpkotta
"IgnoreRestack makes fvwm ignore attempts of clients to raise or lower
their own windows. By default, the opposite style, AllowRestack is
active."

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Daniel Pfeiffer

2011-05-18 21:41:54 UTC

Post by GP lisper

I guess none of us runs with no-raise-on-click.

so you miss out on a few things....